With Halloween just around the corner, we thought it was the right time to sit down with two people who have spent years collecting other people's ghost stories. Fairil Desa and Moe Izwan Kamal co-host Naik Bulu Tales, a podcast that invites guests to recount their own supernatural encounters in their own words, now some 70 episodes deep into pontianaks, possessions, and things neither host can quite explain. Fairil still remembers the night a shoot in his own apartment left the air feeling "off," while Moe describes the sleep paralysis that followed a doomed ghost-hunting trip to Highland Towers as proof the hunters sometimes become the hunted. Together, they take us through what draws Malaysians to the campfire thrill of a good ghost story, what they've learned sitting across from guests who've carried these experiences alone, and why, after years of doing this, they've learned to let the unexplained simply be.
